Wednesday, May 24, 2006

Absolutism and denial...

Over at RedHot, it looks like the absolutism is getting thicker from Tancredo. Note that Mike Pence's plan is far, far tougher than President Bush's. I guess some people won't be satisfied with anything other than mindless enforcement of the present law - no questions asked. Sorry, but that is not "rule of law" in my book. If anything, it's a sign of denial on Tancredo's part.

Looking over at HedgehogCentral, a commentator on this post shows that there is a serious sense of denial along different lines among some people that this absolutism will have negative consequences.

The commentator not only cites Steve Sailer, but Sam Francis, both of whom had stuff run at VDARE. Francis, in particular should be noted for this quote referenced by David Frum in March, 2003:
"The civilization that we as whites created in Europe and America could not have developed apart from the genetic endowments of the creating people." — SAMUEL FRANCIS, SPEECH AT THE AMERICAN RENAISSANCE CONFERENCE, MAY 1994

When these comments came to light, Sam Francis was fired from the Washington Times, not exactly a bastion of political correctness. American Renaissance, which hosted the conference he made the quoted comments at, is run by Jared Taylor, whose friends include the webmaster of Stromfront.org. It also goes into some other slimy stuff, which has its roots in the same eugenics movement that gave us Planned Parenthood. Michael Crichton discussed this to a degree in his novel State of Fear.

Is this what conservatives want to be associated with? And how do we square this with what Thomas Jefferson wrote as we stated our reasons to break away from England? Maybe it's time for the absolutists to give us some straight answers.

7 comments:

Tommy said...

I am the individual you refer to over at Hedgehog's blog. I provided the Francis article, not because I agree with his white nationalist views (I don't), but because the article is mostly a recap of what William Frey indicated about the Hispanic vote. I apologize for not making that clear. However, it would be nice if people like you would address the substance of the issue rather than simple attacking the messengers.

Harold C. Hutchison said...

Tommy, is there a reason why where people like Sailer and Francis are coming from and what they think is out of bounds for discussion?

Taking into account the stuff they have said in the past and their track records, I think their substance is not much above the level of pond scum.

Tommy said...

That is absolutely fine if you wish. I just wish, while you are attacking Sailer and other VDARE contributors' character, you would also address their contentions if they are so far out-of-bounds.

C'mon! If they are that wacky, they shouldn't be that hard to knock down.

So far, the best the opposite side of this debate seems to be able to produce is the overly sentimental, unrealistic Tamar Jacoby.

Ken Prescott said...

C'mon! If they are that wacky, they shouldn't be that hard to knock down.

C'mon! If their arguments are actually that good, someone not carrying their white nationalist baggage would've made it already.

Tommy said...

Well, then I'll hope you'll take a look at this study, which was conducted by someone who was clearly an pro-immigration at UCLA:

The information is put up by blogger ParaPundit:

http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002109.html

4th generation Mexican-Americans still have 40% high school drop out rate and a less than 10% rate of rate of post-high school education. Compare those to the rates of non-Mexican Americans in the table on the page.

I would like to here what open borders advocates plan on doing about this serious problem. Any solutions? Of course not. I'm sure I'll here plenty of trite commentary, however.

Ken Prescott said...

4th generation Mexican-Americans still have 40% high school drop out rate and a less than 10% rate of rate of post-high school education.

Has this been corrected for economic factors?

I would like to here what open borders advocates plan on doing about this serious problem.

I don't have any idea what the "open borders advocates" plan to do about this serious problem, as I am not one of them. Either refrain from slandering me, or refrain from posting on this blog. Your choice.

However, to handle the far more serious problem of illiterate cretins who cannot be bothered to learn the difference between the words "here" and "hear," I will simply engage in hysterical laughter.

I support making English the official language of this country, so kindly do us all the favor of speaking and writing it correctly.

beepbeepitsme said...

Theists want absolute answers to changing questions.